I believe good Wing Chun looks like dirty boxing. I wouldn’t recommend doing Wing Chun if you want to get fit or learn how to fight. You complain about people shitting on wing chun and then shit on people who want to find and do the most effective martial to defend themselves and tell them their perspective is idiotic. Also Wing Chun isnt a deadly Martial Art that would kill people if used in the ring thats utter bullshit often used to explain away why we never see Wing Chun used in full contact I think the best way to find out would be to have a representative from both arts fight each other. You can see Wing Chun against Muay Thai artist or BJJ fighters on YouTube. I now do Krav Maga. Wing chun. Wing chun guys, please stop lying. Like I said my background is grappling I've done Kung Fu and Judo in the past. I don’t think it’s super effective, but he’s doing the work and dedicating the time to figure out how well it can work with live training and sparring while 99% of the Wing Chun community is playing patty cake. People on the inside know it isn’t useless, but people on the outside see a lot of Wing Chun practitioners get destroyed in fights. Like people say, most wing chun schools don't spar, so there's a lot of theory and not enough practice unfortunately. I was fortunate in that the WC I experienced came from a very open instructor with a broad background. Aikido should help understand use of strength and the mechanics of force and leverage, as well as body positioning, where as Wing Chun if nothing else will teach you some strikes which in most circumstances will be what is used in a fight. If you want to talk about stuff in more detail, feel free to PM me. It wasn't really traditionally taught. Kenpo Karate or Shaolin Kenpo schools in the area could be a fit. In short: MMA is not the be all end all of what is effective, but it is a very good indicator, the effectivness of wrestling and certain kinds of striking have been proven over many years of competition at all levels, Wing chun has not done this. It is not useless but it is by no means the best for self defence. try wing chun that competes in sanda or kuoshu leitai. Hung Ga did practice the low horse, but in my opinion was too static. They rely too much on overly complicated techniques and fancy pre set forms instead of focusing on tried and tested techniques and live sparring. There's an Icy Mike video on it. Of course it doesnt work as often shown in Wing Chun Demo's where you parry a blow push it into the opponent parry the second blow push that ontop of the first arm then switch hands and then chain punch over the top. Soft and hard is a meaningless dichotomy. They're used as entries for punches, knees, elbows, kicks, clinchwork and takedowns. But this guy Trapping as in parrying or clearing a hand off the line of attack can work however. wing chun is better for smaller people than for larger people but rather wing chun is (potentially) better than some other arts at helping smaller people even out the natural disadvantages they have against larger opponents. Is wing chun effective in pro mma? I always wondered because everyitme I see wing chun against other martial artists they get completely shited on but also at the same time in my gym there is one guy I see who really does it well against opponents and no not wing chun dosent fight wing chun guys he fight mma and boxing guys as well. If you get lucky then you might find a good Wing Chun school which could be considered legit (although still not as effective as any of the better striking arts like Muay Thai, Kickboxing or Boxing). Also, doing more punches to the body and palm to the face. in sanda, you will spar. A basic elbow, knee or clinch throw would be better to be taught for close range. ) The Chinese and Japanese seems tend to be arts steeped in tradition. +1 for this strategy. thats it. I think that Wing Chun is very effective in the street but of course like any martial arts, you also need to train a lot so that you know how to use it in the street. IMO, Wing Chun is Kung Fu's equivalent of TKD and Shotokan! There's hardly any medium to large size city in America that doesn't have at least two or three Wing Chun schools sprinkled throughout the city! Worst of all, Wing Chun has a focus on inefficient training methods like forms with no sparring. Not a wing chun practitioner, but I want to give a little bit of an analysis on why Wing Chun has this negative perception that can maybe help you beyond the “it sucks” answers lol. In the ring, without taking size into consideration, BJJ is more practical and effective than Wing Chun. There is also r/kungfu. Wing Chun guys don't practice to fight against people fighting back (For the most part, their are exceptions like Alan Orr) and has not been proven to be effective. I teach Wing Chun and Kickboxing, and I use to coach Boxing. No sense. Little to no hip/shoulder movement. Wing Chun is underestimated, because of the MMA Hype and a lot of idiotic Wing Chun users. In short, the system is forward-looking, aiming for practicality while not throwing away its roots when it comes to Wing Chun basics and forms. The close range striking but lack of clinch work is very odd. Other than that you could practice your forms, footwork, moves, balance, grounding, or just work on stretching and conditioning. If you become proficient in boxing, you’ll see that wing chun is utterly useless in a real fight scenario. 15K subscribers in the WingChun community. Sanda is the best way to build solid bases, and later you can come back for Wing Chun and add it to your solid Sanda bases. these rulesets tend to work in favour of chinese martial Arts philosphies. It's the only way to definitively answer your question. Your wing chun instructor is being purely selfish and has a much too high opinion of himself. My Kung Fu included a little Wing Chun and a hint of Shuai Jiao, some Choy Lay Fut, Lohan, Hung Gar, White Crane, and others. Out of these two, I would recommend bajiquan, since it takes advantage of your strength more than wing chun. All time greats like Jon Jones, Tony Ferguson and Anderson Silva use them all the time. Or check it out in the app stores Effective wing chun techniques Please tell me what you think about Wing Chun is a great martial art in my opinion because it really is made for anyone to learn, no matter what size you are or how strong you are, you can effectively learn Wing Chun. There's been a massive swarm of posts about WC recently, accompanied by a flurry of criticism and outright hatred in response. id give up my kicks any day of the week to have better hands in a street fight. I rate Wing Chun as a companion an 8/10 (A tier Posted by u/Jgmfkdncjkfbxubwlc - 11 votes and 63 comments Wing Chun as I understand is an abbreviation of snake and crane animal styles. 3. I think that they could be relatively effective especially if combined with boxing or muay Thai. Wing Chun guys don’t train with aliveness, which prevents them from being able to actually apply their art against resisting opponents. Muay Thai is literally a sport, though. The reason why Wing Chun isn't as effective anymore is cuz it hasn't evolved like other martial arts have. -8pm Nelsson Art Gallery. The amount of hip and shoulder movement involved in standard boxing technique converts a tremendous amount of torque into a powerful linear strike. Even my Sifu has asked us to question him, question what he teaches and see for yourself if it works. Wu Sao and traditional wing Chun guard in sparring is like using mabu in sparring or karate katas on sparring. His Wing Chun isnt bad. A wing chun fighter may be effective against a fighter trained in martial art X, Y or Z, if they have trained as hard and as much as the other person. If you want to learn a martial art for self defense, start with one of the pillars of MMA. In fact, there are about 8 different kicks in Wing Chun (known as Gerks). Instead it works as in hand fighting and Feb 19, 2022 · Wing Chun is a martial art that has been around for centuries. A lot of folks will try to just work a trapping drill with only forward movement, but angled footwork like in the wooden dummy and weapons forms will work better. For self defense it's pretty much nonsense. That was pretty bad. This is a place to share what you learned,and what you want to learn about Wing Chun. There are two major factors for this: WC is a close-range style. In fact, the only way to know for sure is to have all Wing Chun representatives world-wide fight all Aikidokas worldwide, again to the death. Those who say “Wing Chun is not for competition” are keeping the art stagnant in my opinion. Wouldn't be the best striking art, but it would be somewhat effective. To the death. I want to give the WC guys some insight into why that is--specifically into how they're presenting themselves and their art. I found it very effective for understanding distance by touch and simultaneous leg hand strikes. Just for stress relief and confidence, definitely wing chun. It shows the student how to capitalize on their strengths and the opponents weaknesses and how to end the fight as quickly as possible when the opponent is bigger and stronger. So Muay Thai is the answer. No. Thursday 6pm-8pm Loose park by tennis courts Sunday 9am-11am. Mikey Reyes trains Multiple styles. Choy Lee Fut has just about the same difficult foundation period as Hung Ga but the footwork is more dynamic. Eye strikes, throat strikes, and groin strikes are extremely effective in real life and are prohibited in competition settings. . Wing Chun can be effective for self defense. It is known for being deadly and efficient in close quarters combat. Wing Chun, on the other hand, is pure self defence, and focuses on neutralising your opponent's attacks. A thing that gets overlooked is that Wing Chun is still the motor that runs jkd. I would do it to hang out with my mates. It's full on and messy but you can certainly detect some WC. There is nothing wrong about wanting to learn Wing Chun. So according to him, WC is a super niche art that will only be effective for about 15% of people and even then only be effective at one specific range. If the guys dont practice strong punches that can deal damage- and the guys dont actually practice stopping punches with their counterattacks- then by its own definition it cannot be The advantage Wing Chun has over styles like Muay Thai or boxing is that wing chun doesn’t train you to fight with rules. Ring or tournament fighting is the major focus of many martial arts: Thai boxing, Sanda, MMA, and Karate all have ring fighting of some sort as their primary focus and thus spar extensively. Wing Chun is all about internal power, work on developing that. • 5 yr. Google search would be like Full on Wing Chun in China vs Karate or vs. The basics of wing chun are everything. Wing Chun is a good striking art with a lot of bad practices. Loose park by tennis courts. The one thing it does better than probably any art is sensitivity training for close range striking. What do the strikers of reddit think about his defense from hook punches. Wing chun has punches and kicks, so does muay thai. Wing chun is actually extremely practical. The guy moved with some of the core footwork, maintained center, and even threw chain punches at various points. The answer is deeply tied to the unique principles of Wing Chun, hinting at a blend of contrasting energies, insightful anatomical understanding, strategic use of physics, and a meshing of various types of forces. The Wing Chun guy, do not use proper Wing Chun punch, do not tuch his elbow in, failing his arm like slapping contest, his punch do not orginate from the ground (generate power with leg then hip and stike), his stance is terrible, he barely move, he scared of taking punch in the face (i bet he barely spar with anyone in his class). Hand traps are good for when the opponent is shelling up and you need to get through his guard. Award. Its not the flashiest of martial arts and you rarely see it in competition. There are also a number of videos of full contact Wing Chun with protective gear in competition, particularly in Russia and Hong Kong. Here’s more…. This Whing Chun master made a diffrent video where he used terms like anti-grappling and showed his "defense" from a takedown. Muay Thai all the way - Wing Chun is relatively complicated and requires either a ton of time (or having experience in other arts) to be useful. The vast majority suck though. Certainly, everybody wants to use their body mass and full strength if possible, this is not a unique idea to wing chun. Not being sensitive to context won't work. Commonly, many wing chun schools avoid teaching footwork to control the range, which would shut down a lot of the “trapping” stuff. Relaxation is very important as well. so is boxing but WC will not be effective in either. In my experience Wing Chun isn't a hack and slash art. Wing Chun is natural because all the movements and stances are very close to relaxed neutral position. Western boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, or my personal favorite, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. it is part of the sport. Not to say that Wing Chun isn't useful, it's just the inferior choice here. Worse than MT, Kickboxing and Boxing, but maybe better than a lot of Karate and definitely better than something like Taekwondo. This is not so with the Wing Chun punches. Add a Comment. I built a Wing Chun dummy back in the day. Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now. Effective footwork in Wing Chun is not a descriptive enough title for me to read through such a massive post and we get way to many people spamming their blogs here with no context or explanation. wing chun only works on narrow ass boats. BadDogToo. Having a round kick or hook kick would help a lot. Further, in many cases, WC programs have chosen to avoid traditional measures of pressure testing (i. However, like what the others said, it is pretty hard to find good schools for either martial art. "what we do is too deadly to spar with"). like its good for a canoe fight. Sanda. A few years of chi-sau can be a great addition to any tool belt. If the other fighter is stronger, faster, and better trained, it does not matter very much what art they know, they will most likely win. Lot's of fighting in a phone booth seeking to establish body control and land uncontested punches, knees, and elbows, with the odd trip or sweep. i now have the opportunity to train in muay thai. Effective at what? I know a pretty high end kung fu teacher, he is white, but said wing chun was based on the art of stealing and the defense of someone trying to steal. I can tell you that Wing Chun is effective, and Wing Chun is a complete martial art. Now with that said the man in the video did recommend cross-training and i agree but if you start crosstraining then you are learning different skills which can be effective but Wing Chun Re: realism: most Wing Chun lineages, especially in America, dont spar, and dont cross train. I think if you look at a lot of the old school kung fu arm strikes you saw a lot of winding haymaker style punches. Animal style guys I know see WC as incomplete and missing critical components to make it effective. In Wing Chun, we always find ourselves between the dualities of Yin and Yang, weak and strong. The theory is that Wing Chun trains for the street, not the ring. Rigidity won't work. Having said that, for me Wing Chun is just a tool. Wing chun is cool, it has the ip man name behind it etc. Period. We put on 2oz MMA gloves with arm guards and attack with jabs, hooks, and uppercuts. Crypto Wing chun punches lack a lot of power. I train Goju Ryu with someone who did wing chun 12+ years… they said Goju Ryu was more effective. • 7 yr. This left me with 3 ideal candidates: Hung Ga, Wing Chun and Choy Lee Fut. Wing Chun form talks about principles you apply and transform into a effective combat style. But the weirdest part for me is that he is a very good companion. Ppl get this confused because of this flawed book The Tao of JKD it was written posthumously after his death and taken largely from his notes, traces, and personal journals and they tend to not reference or mention Wing Chun much at all, so, neither does the the book. Muay That is the one which makes you monster in close range with clinch and elbows, knees and Muay Thai also an effective style overall, while Wing Chun is not. (Next on my list is probably boxing. Our students who train 6-7 hours a week get to where they could take care of themselves in around a year. Its cool to learn about thrusting finger strikes to the eye but in reality your straight punch/front kick are going to be the most effective thing you’ll use. Lack of sparring and “too deadly” mentality have led to Wing Chun’s reputation declining. Punching is a very good way to relieve stress, and the form is very good for concentration and relaxation. Xingyi, to be effective, has to be taught with Taiji and Bagua to round it off as an effective fighting style. The main reason I don't like him. Fancy hand play ensues. Thanks for providing further evidence that there are people reading this thread, who do think that wing chun is an effective martial art. Business, Economics, and Finance. e. Popular martial arts, like boxing, BJJ, Muay Thai have been tested over and over again in MMA fights. Now back to your question. The focus of Wing Chun is developing skills that may potentially give you an edge in a If they invest in good pads, chances are they need them. Class Schedule: Every Tues. Like in any system, there are better and worse teachers and practitioners to be found. Since it's a close-range combat style, all our kicks are done in punching or grappling range. iv been told my entire Reddit life that muay thai could kick wing chun's ass . We have structured hand defense drills and unstructured combat drills. You would probably be more effective quicker with arts like Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu. And yet, every class in the 90% has an expert at Wing Chun who probably thinks he fights pretty good, despite having never done it. It's no secret that WC is a very unpopular art on this sub. My teachers have always encouraged me to cross train because it can add value to your overall game (especially for MMA). An open forum, message board, hangout for discussing anything to do with the martial art called Wing Chun… Wing Chun is Built for Close-Quarters Fighting – Wing Chun is a high speed, up-close art, almost built for the worse of all worse situations like getting smothered in a small place by an advancing enemy or dealing with multiple attackers. Wing Chun is trash and it DOESN'T make you good in close range, lmao. 2. These are just a few reasons why Wing Chun is so effective. The challenge that Wing Chun faces -- like many Traditional Martial Arts -- is that there is no quality control. There’s no “pure” Wing Chun that we can measure all this against and say he violated the principles of. Not to forget those tasty lowkicks that come with MT. Wing Chun did not practice the low horse and that was something that I wanted to develop. The dissonance between fact and fiction has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I'm a wing Chun practicioner and I've been 7 years on that and I'm tired of ppl going to a spar with classic form. In a real fight, someone will grab one of your fingers and break it backwards, or bite, or bite a finger off The best thing you could do to train your Wing Chun is to get a wooden dummy. The relaxed neutral position is the body's most natural position. But I believe Wing Chun's freedom comes from studying and training what a fight is made of and creating or enhancing body mind unity. Movies are movies and should be recognized as such. However, many people believe that wing Chun is not an effective form of self-defense. I personal rather judge an art against what it claims to be - wing chun claims to be efficient counter striking art that has a very great ‘one inch power’. Overall, I think effective Wing Chun might look like this: oblique and side kicks at long range to maintain distance when necessary, parries and blocks to penetrate medium range and get into the pocket, where you use short punches and elbows to strike the opponent. Add to the traditional Wing Chun forms the Vietnamese 5 animals and one can build onto the existing style. Yeah, but to work against Muay Thai, basic Wing Chun trapping will not work. Mournclaw. They are used quite differently in WC vs in TKD. I’m comfortable saying that a martial art that fails for 85% of people and at most ranges of combat is an art that doesn’t work. Probably because the IP man movies became popular. There’s a reason why wing chun is not very effective in the ring. Other teaching systems might be faster at that, we don't particularly rush people along. And Fri 6pm. And that’s super important in a street fight. WC practitioners get stuck on their epic defenses and forget they have to actually hit their opponent to win a fight, for that reason, most of the training doesn't work (as "the people using it have forgotten what they're supposed to use this for"). That’s according to the video. sanda is chinese kickboxing. 0 Share. Also, I rec Chuan Fa, Chris is a cool dude and runs a good school. Well placed knees, elbows, etc can put you out as surely as any choke. The only thing you need to be aware of is the illegal moves in MMA such as punches to the back of the head, groin shots, eye pokes, and 12 to 6 elbows. In real fighting scenario. It's a unrealistic art that lacks sparring and this will prove useless when fighting somebody who is coming at you at 100%. But that is usually referred to as structured in an internal art, not hard. Wing chun has some standing grappling stuff, so does wrestling. Practitioners get hung up on the really esoteric low percentage aspects of the art. Hi. As hysterical as this is, it's a great idea to be careful about real situations. If your boxing mechanics are reasonable, you should be able to see the benefit of Wing Chun more easily than someone with no training history. do you think i would be more effective if i train in both or will wing chun slow me down? i also need to take cost into consideration so if my wing chun experience is not very applicable I'd prefer to just drop to save my self $80 a Jul 25, 2023 · No, not at all. 6. Wing Chun is a cool art with a lot of culture and history. So you probably want to cross train other arts at the same time. Due to this, some of the moves in Wing Chun may be illegal but the martial art itself is allowed. You aren’t going to chi sao with someone in a street fight that could be for your life. Train Wing Chun like a boxer trains for the ring and you will develop a lot of good tools. You can call that hard’. Like 90%. If they are both pressure tested against other martial arts and aikido is mixed with a small bit of judo and the coach is good. Traditional Wing Chun is more about using your hand than your feets, but if you find a good Trainer or even a Master, you will learn a really good Martial Arts. Wing Chun can be very annoying and mean like every time he says "huh" whenever he makes a punch/kick. For instance Muay Thai evolved to become something a lot more complex with different styles of fighters each specializing in their own way. Just be nice and have fun. Muay Thai is easier to learn and is more useful in a fight. They can also be used to prevent the opponent from moving their guard or from throwing a counter punch. I would never train with someone that forbid me to train in another art. Check out True Disciple. In theory Wing Chun and Aikido working under a legitimate teacher should yield the best results as far as the OP's list. It depends on what you’re looking for in a martial art. Also think more about using 'clashes for more opportunities on a trained kickboxer. Reply reply i practice (and spar) wing chun. Depends on what you mean by similar. Lifelong martial artist here. If it is a surprised attack, then you might have no chance as portray in some of the kung fu movies, where the sifu would have been ambushed or poison but if you can see your Is Wing Chun effective in a real fight?" A question often pondered by martial arts enthusiasts. So in big public market you use your wing chun to steal and orange then the seller uses his defense wing chun to stop you. It's amazing stuff, yes, and I love what they offer. You are on the right track when you acknowledge that it is not a substitute for another training tool but a great supplement. Sticking with chinese martial arts, you might look into sanda. This was almost painful to watch ngl, I did wing chun for a bit but stopped because the strikes are weak and alot of techniques are ineffective in a real life situation and only thing I found effective were the blocks, for striking I rely more on my boxing training as it teaches you to keep your guard up whenever you strike your opponent It is funny that you aggressively defend wing chun, given that others in this thread have argued that it is so obviously bullshit that mentioning it here is offensive and marks rammen4 as braggart. WC uses the "shortest path" rule. In those movies Wing Chun is portrayed as a near perfect martial art, a lot of redditors on this subject have had harsh reality checks with regards to actually wing Chun. If you mean is it effective in a fight, then no, Wing Chun is not a good martial art, at least not the way it is taught in like 90% of places. Wing chun can be effective and a good workout, just gotta make it work for you and watch out for the grifters like any other martial art. Thai Boxing. The answer is, in 90% of cases, no. Combat Wing Chun or something like that maybe. but karate of the two would likely be the most useful in a street fight. In this blog post, we will discuss the effectiveness of wing Chun and whether or not it is a good choice for self-defense. It’s the same reason most traditional martial arts are It entirely depends on the school and the teaching approach. I train in wing chun, and will tell you the vast majority of wing chun schools are poor for self-defense, but nearly all aikido places are still somehow worse. You will struggle to find a good Wing Chun place anyway. This kind of "Soft" goes with a kinda strong force. In terms of improvement to the art, I would say having shield blocks would help. Wing Chun is a nice blanket term just like Karate. Is Wing Chun effective in a real fight?" A question often pondered by martial arts enthusiasts. Xie xie! for your criteria, sanda 100%. It covers dozens of lineages that vary wildly. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. These types of martials are getting shat on because people now see the contrast between effective and non effective martial arts. 17. He has chain potential (riposte, relentless, blade storm), call to arms, super strike and rally. Wing Chun is a magic style to teach someone quickly. r/EffectiveWingChun: This is a place to share what you learned,and what you want to learn about Wing Chun. Wing Chun can be good exercise and getting to know your body, but as a fighting method I'm skeptical, and I practised it for a few years. Solely based on Wing Chun alone. ago. Check r/wingchun bc this subreddit tends to downvote TMAs with wingchun and aikido being among the usual targets. It's not the most terrible thing I've seen, but it didn't seem alot like wing chun. Wing Chun fighters don't have a good fighting record (see Xu xiaodong). Wing Chun can be used in MMA and you can apply its techniques in its fights. Most schools focus WAY TOO MUCH on Chi Sao and not enugh on sparing and drilling. However this position is good for vertical load bearing so we need to alter the stance a tiny bit to make it useful in horizontal load bearing the tiny change of turning knees Wing Chun also has an issue in that its an very close ranged striking style with little grappling or clinch work that focuses on trapping range which is usually a transitioning range between striking and grappling that exists for a split second at most. Wing Chung and aikido could work. Or study other arts to start with, then study wing chun to see what it can offer you - that will help you filter out crappy wing chun schools as well. Many MMA fighters use wing chun techniques in conjunction with boxing. = awkward youtube moments. vtsldfylsdisbrrbkkii